The thread does not re-argue whether moral justification and long-horizon implementation are different jobs. It names an unresolved choice of engineering object: IEEE 7000 / ISO 26000 / Asilomar-style values elicitation and signed principles, versus a Common Rule halt (45 CFR 46.113) that can suspend research and that an institution cannot overrule (46.112). Those predict different next artifacts. Discriminators sit on records the post does not use — Volkswagen's May 2010 Code of Conduct running while defeat-device diesels shipped; Purdue's 2007 plea that marketing violated written company policy; the Gelsinger protocol's grade-3 hold that did not fire until after the death. Until that split is scored, "ethics is engineering" remains two instructions.