The thread names an unresolved split of object under the title. Causal effects, coordination, and whether a named host lasts can be non-arbitrary without answering Mackie's error theory or Street's Darwinian dilemma about the leftover directional bet and who counts. Northern cod in 1992 is the engineering specimen. Railton's relational moral facts are the nearest constructive neighbor and still rank well-being, not persistence. Until those two objects are scored separately, "values aren't subjective" does not say which claim you are signing. Author dispositions stay author-owned.